10 problem(s) found in 2461 milliseconds (displaying 10 problem(s)). [COMMENTDATE>=20200919 AND NOT K='Hilfsrückzüger' AND A='Buchanan, Andrew' AND K='Ceriani-Frolkin-Thema'] [download as LaTeX]
1 - P1228018
Enzo Minerva
Andrew Buchanan
Introduction to Proof Games 01/2010
EM, version AB
(14+14) C+
Proof game in 9.0
Enzo Minerva
Andrew Buchanan
Introduction to Proof Games 01/2010
EM, version AB
(14+14) C+
Proof game in 9.0
1. e4 f5 2. Lb5 f4 3. Se2 f3 4. 0-0 fxe2 5. e5 exf1=L 6. Dg4 Lc4 7. d3 Kf7 8. Dxc4+ d5 9. exd6ep+ Le6
Keywords: Valladao Task (swwk), Unique Proof Game, Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (l), Prentos Theme (l), En passant, Castling, Promotion (l)
Genre: Retro
Computer test: Euclide 0.99
FEN: rn1q1bnr/ppp1pkpp/3Pb3/1B6/2Q5/3P4/PPP2PPP/RNB3K1
Reprints: 11 Introduction to Proof Games 03/2010
Input: Alain Brobecker, 2011-12-26
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-05-26 more...
Genre: Retro
Computer test: Euclide 0.99
FEN: rn1q1bnr/ppp1pkpp/3Pb3/1B6/2Q5/3P4/PPP2PPP/RNB3K1
Reprints: 11 Introduction to Proof Games 03/2010
Input: Alain Brobecker, 2011-12-26
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-05-26 more...
1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 Sf6 3. exf6 Ld6 4. fxg7 Lxh2 5. gxh8=L Lxg1 6. Txh7 Le3 7. Txf7 Lxd2+ 8. Dxd2 a5 9. Dxa5 Kxf7 10. Dxc7 Dxh8 11. Dxc8 De8 12. Dxe8+ Kxe8
Die Schwalbe 12/2013
MRi: "Nach dem ersten, naturgemäs schlaglosen Zug muss Weiß im Rest der Partie permanent schlagen. Dass sich gleich drei weiße Steine aktiv an dieser Fresserei beteiligen, kommt ebenso überraschend wie der Schnoebelen-Läufer auf h8, den man beim bloßen Blick auf die Endstellung wohl kaum erwartet hätte. Netter (Computer?!)-Fund im Bereich der At-Home-BPs."
HG: Siehe Kommentar zu 15609; hier mit Schnoebelen-Läufer, sK-Rückhehr und sD-Opferzug."
SBa zu 15069 und 15611: "Das dürften die ersten orthodoxen Doppelhomebase it Schnoebelenumwandungen sein. 156909 ist inbesondere weben des genialen Tempozugs Ke7, der die eigentliche Begründung der Umwandlung liefert, viel besser, die andere errinerte eher an Massakerbeweispartien, Nichesdestotrotz will das erstmal konstruiert sein.
A.Buchanan: @Mario: no computer: found by hand over the course of several evenings on a business trip to Mumbai, but I take the suspicion as a compliment! :D (2021-07-18)
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MRi: "Nach dem ersten, naturgemäs schlaglosen Zug muss Weiß im Rest der Partie permanent schlagen. Dass sich gleich drei weiße Steine aktiv an dieser Fresserei beteiligen, kommt ebenso überraschend wie der Schnoebelen-Läufer auf h8, den man beim bloßen Blick auf die Endstellung wohl kaum erwartet hätte. Netter (Computer?!)-Fund im Bereich der At-Home-BPs."
HG: Siehe Kommentar zu 15609; hier mit Schnoebelen-Läufer, sK-Rückhehr und sD-Opferzug."
SBa zu 15069 und 15611: "Das dürften die ersten orthodoxen Doppelhomebase it Schnoebelenumwandungen sein. 156909 ist inbesondere weben des genialen Tempozugs Ke7, der die eigentliche Begründung der Umwandlung liefert, viel besser, die andere errinerte eher an Massakerbeweispartien, Nichesdestotrotz will das erstmal konstruiert sein.
A.Buchanan: @Mario: no computer: found by hand over the course of several evenings on a business trip to Mumbai, but I take the suspicion as a compliment! :D (2021-07-18)
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Keywords: Unique Proof Game, Homebase (2), Schnoebelen Theme (L), Switchback (k), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (L), Prentos Theme (L)
Genre: Retro
FEN: rn2k3/1p1p4/8/8/8/8/PPP1P1P1/RNB1KB2
Input: Mario Richter, 2013-07-20
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-07-18 more...
Genre: Retro
FEN: rn2k3/1p1p4/8/8/8/8/PPP1P1P1/RNB1KB2
Input: Mario Richter, 2013-07-20
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-07-18 more...
1. f3 Kg4 2. f2 Kf3 3. c1=L Ke2 4. f1=L+ Kd1 5. Lc4 Kxc1 6. La2 Lc3#
See P1316696 and P1359493
Henrik Juel: Pg2 prevents cooks ending 5... Kxc2 6.La2 Lc3# (2019-01-12)
A.Buchanan: I just realized I chose the dedications of these two problems the right way round luckily: L for Linß and S for Schnoebelen :D (2019-01-12)
VL: Reprint: (2) Problemas 37, p.1232, 01/2022 (2022-01-23)
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Henrik Juel: Pg2 prevents cooks ending 5... Kxc2 6.La2 Lc3# (2019-01-12)
A.Buchanan: I just realized I chose the dedications of these two problems the right way round luckily: L for Linß and S for Schnoebelen :D (2019-01-12)
VL: Reprint: (2) Problemas 37, p.1232, 01/2022 (2022-01-23)
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Keywords: Minimal, Schnoebelen Theme (l), Prentos Theme (l), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (l), Miniature, Promotion (ll)
Genre: h#
Computer test: Popeye WINDOWS98-32Bit-Version 3.77 (8192KB)
FEN: 8/8/8/7K/5p2/8/2pB2p1/k7
Input: Felber, Volker, 2019-01-12
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-01-21 more...
Genre: h#
Computer test: Popeye WINDOWS98-32Bit-Version 3.77 (8192KB)
FEN: 8/8/8/7K/5p2/8/2pB2p1/k7
Input: Felber, Volker, 2019-01-12
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-01-21 more...
4 - P1359493
Andrew Buchanan
17465 Die Schwalbe 291, p. 492, 06/2018
to Philippe Schnoebelen
(2+4) C+
h#6
Andrew Buchanan
17465 Die Schwalbe 291, p. 492, 06/2018
to Philippe Schnoebelen
(2+4) C+
h#6
1. c1=S Lxe7 2. d3 Kf2 3. d2 Ke3 4. d1=L Kd2 5. Lb3 Kxc1 6. La2 Lf6#
See P1316696 and P1359492
And see P1375440 for a fairy version
Mario Richter: Henrik wrote: "The term Schnoebelen theme first was used in proof games".
Even if it's like fighting against windmills, "Schnoebelen promotions" were *NOT* first used in proof games, but in orthodox retros. Ceriani invented the theme in 1948, maybe even before Philippe was born!
See my post in the Retros Mailig List:
https://pairlist1.pair.net/pipermail/retros/2008-December/002752.html (2019-01-13)
VL: Reprint: (3) Problemas 37, p.1232, 01/2022 (2022-01-23)
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And see P1375440 for a fairy version
Mario Richter: Henrik wrote: "The term Schnoebelen theme first was used in proof games".
Even if it's like fighting against windmills, "Schnoebelen promotions" were *NOT* first used in proof games, but in orthodox retros. Ceriani invented the theme in 1948, maybe even before Philippe was born!
See my post in the Retros Mailig List:
https://pairlist1.pair.net/pipermail/retros/2008-December/002752.html (2019-01-13)
VL: Reprint: (3) Problemas 37, p.1232, 01/2022 (2022-01-23)
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Keywords: Minimal, Promotion key (s), Schnoebelen Theme (s), Prentos Theme (s), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (s), Miniature, Promotion (sl)
Genre: h#
Computer test: Popeye WINDOWS98-32Bit-Version 3.77 (8192KB)
FEN: 8/4p3/5B2/8/3p4/8/2p5/k5K1
Input: Felber, Volker, 2019-01-12
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-01-21 more...
Genre: h#
Computer test: Popeye WINDOWS98-32Bit-Version 3.77 (8192KB)
FEN: 8/4p3/5B2/8/3p4/8/2p5/k5K1
Input: Felber, Volker, 2019-01-12
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-01-21 more...
5 - P1375440
Andrew Buchanan
17465v Die Schwalbe 291, p. 492, 06/2018
to Rewan Demontay
(3+4) C+
h#6
White Dummy f2
Andrew Buchanan
17465v Die Schwalbe 291, p. 492, 06/2018
to Rewan Demontay
(3+4) C+
h#6
White Dummy f2
1. c1=DU Lxe7 2. d3 Kf1 3. d2 Ke2 4. d1=L Kd2 5. Lb3 Kxc1 6. La2 Lf6#
Added 1 Dummy to P1359493, and changed the dedicatee. My luck with this little series continues to hold: the dedicatee's surname begins with a D!
James Malcom: Andrew, I just found this today-I thank you very much, but perhaps it holds no more, for my true name is known now! (2020-10-28)
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James Malcom: Andrew, I just found this today-I thank you very much, but perhaps it holds no more, for my true name is known now! (2020-10-28)
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Keywords: Miniature, Promotion key (du), Schnoebelen Theme (du), Prentos Theme (du), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (du), Promotion (du,l)
Pieces: = Dummy (DU)
Genre: h#, Fairies
Computer test: Popeye 4.81
FEN: 8/4p3/5B2/8/3p4/8/2p2I2/k5K1
Input: A.Buchanan, 2020-05-03
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-05-01 more...
Pieces: = Dummy (DU)
Genre: h#, Fairies
Computer test: Popeye 4.81
FEN: 8/4p3/5B2/8/3p4/8/2p2I2/k5K1
Input: A.Buchanan, 2020-05-03
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2021-05-01 more...
6 - P1375654
Andrew Buchanan
(2) MatPlus.net Forum 09/05/2020
in memory of Wilhelm Steinitz
(13+14) C+
PG in 8.0 (-:
Andrew Buchanan
(2) MatPlus.net Forum 09/05/2020
in memory of Wilhelm Steinitz
(13+14) C+
PG in 8.0 (-:
1. f4 a5 2. f5 a4 3. f6 a3 4. fxe7 axb2 5. exf8=B! bxa1=L 6. Lb2 Ke7! 7. Lf6+ Ke6! 8. Sc3 Dxf8!
Henrik Juel: The solution is almost given away by the keywords
1.f4 a5 2.f5 a4 3.f6 a3 4.fxe7 axb2 5.exf8! bxa1=L 6.Lb2 Ke7 7.Lf6+ Ke6 8.Sc3 Dxf8
Even though Black captures the white man on f8, promotion to DTLS will not work
First Schnoebelen with dummy pawn as the captured man, I would think
Very good, Andrew (2020-05-08)
Henrik Juel: Another first:
Never before was a problem commented in the PDB before it was published... (2020-05-08)
James Malcom: When Andrew messaged me this asking about a PG with two dummies, I came back almost right away with the same idea, albeit in a flawed form-1. a4 f5 2. a5 f4 3. a6 f3 4. axb7 fxe2 5. bxa8=Q exd1 6. Ke2 e6 7. Ke3 Qg5+ 8. Kd4 Qxg2 9. Qf3 Qxh1 10. Qxd1. Great minds think alike after all! The best way. I think, to have two dummies is to have one per side and have both kings make the same journey. An idea to make it all unique is the problem though. (2020-05-08)
A.Buchanan: Haha Henrik thank you. Well I'm in lockdown in Singapore, and it was 9-May already when I posted in Matplus. (2020-05-09)
A.Buchanan: Can claim that this is not Schnoebelen because the pawn wasn't promoted! Just remained as a pawn! But I'm sure the Schnoebelen theme was interpreted in a looser sense in 1860s. Although exponents in that era would have been baffled as to *why* the theme was termed "Schnoebelen", as Philippe was not yet born. (2020-05-09)
Henrik Juel: I am sorry to learn about the Singapore lockdown, but here the merriment has no bounds (apart from the notational dilemma: exf8 is not a promotion and still the PDB animation requires exf8=B) (2020-05-09)
Olaf Jenkner: If you consider each pawn move onto the 8th rank as a promotion then we have the Schnoebelen. (2020-05-09)
A.Buchanan: This is not "non-standard material", removing that keyword. (2022-01-26)
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1.f4 a5 2.f5 a4 3.f6 a3 4.fxe7 axb2 5.exf8! bxa1=L 6.Lb2 Ke7 7.Lf6+ Ke6 8.Sc3 Dxf8
Even though Black captures the white man on f8, promotion to DTLS will not work
First Schnoebelen with dummy pawn as the captured man, I would think
Very good, Andrew (2020-05-08)
Henrik Juel: Another first:
Never before was a problem commented in the PDB before it was published... (2020-05-08)
James Malcom: When Andrew messaged me this asking about a PG with two dummies, I came back almost right away with the same idea, albeit in a flawed form-1. a4 f5 2. a5 f4 3. a6 f3 4. axb7 fxe2 5. bxa8=Q exd1 6. Ke2 e6 7. Ke3 Qg5+ 8. Kd4 Qxg2 9. Qf3 Qxh1 10. Qxd1. Great minds think alike after all! The best way. I think, to have two dummies is to have one per side and have both kings make the same journey. An idea to make it all unique is the problem though. (2020-05-08)
A.Buchanan: Haha Henrik thank you. Well I'm in lockdown in Singapore, and it was 9-May already when I posted in Matplus. (2020-05-09)
A.Buchanan: Can claim that this is not Schnoebelen because the pawn wasn't promoted! Just remained as a pawn! But I'm sure the Schnoebelen theme was interpreted in a looser sense in 1860s. Although exponents in that era would have been baffled as to *why* the theme was termed "Schnoebelen", as Philippe was not yet born. (2020-05-09)
Henrik Juel: I am sorry to learn about the Singapore lockdown, but here the merriment has no bounds (apart from the notational dilemma: exf8 is not a promotion and still the PDB animation requires exf8=B) (2020-05-09)
Olaf Jenkner: If you consider each pawn move onto the 8th rank as a promotion then we have the Schnoebelen. (2020-05-09)
A.Buchanan: This is not "non-standard material", removing that keyword. (2022-01-26)
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Keywords: Unique Proof Game, Schnoebelen Theme (B), Phoenix (l), Prentos Theme (B), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (B), Dummy Pawn, Golden Age (Dummy Pawn), Promotion (Bl)
Genre: Retro
Computer test: Jacobi v0.7.4 2020-05-08
FEN: rnb2qnr/1ppp1ppp/4kB2/8/8/2N5/P1PPP1PP/b2QKBNR
Input: A.Buchanan, 2020-05-08
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-08-04 more...
Genre: Retro
Computer test: Jacobi v0.7.4 2020-05-08
FEN: rnb2qnr/1ppp1ppp/4kB2/8/8/2N5/P1PPP1PP/b2QKBNR
Input: A.Buchanan, 2020-05-08
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-08-04 more...
1. g4 h5 2. Lg2 hxg4 3. Lf3 gxf3 4. Kf1 fxe2+ 5. Kg2 exd1=T! 6. Kf3! Txc1 7. Ke2 Te1+ 8. Kxe1
Henrik Juel: Excellent find, Andrew
Hint: length is 7.5 (2020-11-25)
A.Buchanan: Thanks Henrik - amazed to find it’s not in WinChloe or Yacpdb (2020-11-26)
A.Buchanan: The animation fails for "SPG", instead "KBP" is needed. (2020-11-26)
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Hint: length is 7.5 (2020-11-25)
A.Buchanan: Thanks Henrik - amazed to find it’s not in WinChloe or Yacpdb (2020-11-26)
A.Buchanan: The animation fails for "SPG", instead "KBP" is needed. (2020-11-26)
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Keywords: Unique Proof Game, Homebase (2), Pure Round Trip (K5), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (t), Prentos Theme (t), Tempo Loss
Genre: Retro
Computer test: C+ Natch 3.1 C+ Euclide 1.01 for 6.0, 6.5, 7.0 & 7.5 moves, which is conclusive.
FEN: rnbqkbnr/ppppppp1/8/8/8/8/PPPP1P1P/RN2K1NR
Reprints: chess.stackexchange.com 26/11/2020
Input: A.Buchanan, 2020-11-25
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2020-11-26 more...
Genre: Retro
Computer test: C+ Natch 3.1 C+ Euclide 1.01 for 6.0, 6.5, 7.0 & 7.5 moves, which is conclusive.
FEN: rnbqkbnr/ppppppp1/8/8/8/8/PPPP1P1P/RN2K1NR
Reprints: chess.stackexchange.com 26/11/2020
Input: A.Buchanan, 2020-11-25
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2020-11-26 more...
8 - P1399677
Andrew Buchanan
Discord Chess Problems & Studies Server 06/03/2022
(15+13) C+
PG in 10.0
Economy record for what effect?
Andrew Buchanan
Discord Chess Problems & Studies Server 06/03/2022
(15+13) C+
PG in 10.0
Economy record for what effect?
1. e4 d6 2. e5 Lg4 3. e6 h5 4. exf7+ Kd7 5. Sc3 De8 6. fxe8=S h4 7. Sxg7 Th5 8. Sf5 Ke6 9. Sg3 Te5+
10. Sg3e2! (sic) Sg3-e2 Txe2+
10. Sg3e2! (sic) Sg3-e2 Txe2+
A.Buchanan: So what's the idea, Henrik? (2022-03-07)
Henrik Juel: If the proof game were in 11 moves, White could just capture [Dd8,Pf7,Pg7] with Sc3, and leave [Pe2] standing
But in 10 moves the tempo is wrong for this plan, and it is corrected by a roundtrip by [Pe2] lasting 9 moves
Very good (2022-03-07)
A.Buchanan: Thank you Henrik, but this is not the theme. Another incidental feature is that every piece which moves more than once has an interrupted journey. But what is the purpose of wSc3, for example? (2022-03-07)
Henrik Juel: White has to move after 4... Kd7, and 5.Sc3 seems safe (2022-03-07)
A.Buchanan: Hint: 5.Sa3 would not be thematic (2022-03-07)
Henrik Juel: I give up
What's the (big) idea? (2022-03-07)
A.Buchanan: See recent discussion at P1399601. This is a shortest SPG that forces a full designation for a source square (W10) and then restores to standard material. This is also maybe possible for Queen or Bishop, but requires two promotions so is longer. It’s never possible for rook. Currently this corner case breaks the PDB animation. (2022-03-07)
Henrik Juel: OK... Points for a well hidden idea, I guess
10. Sg3-e2 should work fine for the animation
And for retro play full notation is standard (even for me, although it took a long time) (2022-03-07)
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Henrik Juel: If the proof game were in 11 moves, White could just capture [Dd8,Pf7,Pg7] with Sc3, and leave [Pe2] standing
But in 10 moves the tempo is wrong for this plan, and it is corrected by a roundtrip by [Pe2] lasting 9 moves
Very good (2022-03-07)
A.Buchanan: Thank you Henrik, but this is not the theme. Another incidental feature is that every piece which moves more than once has an interrupted journey. But what is the purpose of wSc3, for example? (2022-03-07)
Henrik Juel: White has to move after 4... Kd7, and 5.Sc3 seems safe (2022-03-07)
A.Buchanan: Hint: 5.Sa3 would not be thematic (2022-03-07)
Henrik Juel: I give up
What's the (big) idea? (2022-03-07)
A.Buchanan: See recent discussion at P1399601. This is a shortest SPG that forces a full designation for a source square (W10) and then restores to standard material. This is also maybe possible for Queen or Bishop, but requires two promotions so is longer. It’s never possible for rook. Currently this corner case breaks the PDB animation. (2022-03-07)
Henrik Juel: OK... Points for a well hidden idea, I guess
10. Sg3-e2 should work fine for the animation
And for retro play full notation is standard (even for me, although it took a long time) (2022-03-07)
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Keywords: Unique Proof Game, Economy record, Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (S), Prentos Theme (S), Pure Round Trip (9), Parity Argument, Tempo Loss
Genre: Retro
Computer test: C++ Euclide 1.01
FEN: rn3bn1/ppp1p3/3pk3/8/6bp/2N5/PPPPrPPP/R1BQKBNR
Input: A.Buchanan, 2022-03-07
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2022-03-07 more...
Genre: Retro
Computer test: C++ Euclide 1.01
FEN: rn3bn1/ppp1p3/3pk3/8/6bp/2N5/PPPPrPPP/R1BQKBNR
Input: A.Buchanan, 2022-03-07
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2022-03-07 more...
1. e4 c5 2. Lb5 c4 3. Sf3 c3 4. 0-0 cxd2 5. c4 f6 6. Db3 d1=L 7. Lh6 Kf7 8. c5+ d5 9. cxd6ep+ Kg6 10. Se5+ Kh5 11. Le8+ g6 12. Lg7 Lh3 13. gxh3 Lg4 14. f3 Kh4 15. fxg4
Objective: co-record shortest achievement of task, followed by artistic continuation.
Also version rnbqBbnr/pp2p1Bp/3P1pp1/4N2k/4P3/1Q5P/PP3P1P/RN1R2K1 PG in 14.0 mentioned in article. This offers different artistic continuation (with Pronkin instead of Ceriani-Frolkin).
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Also version rnbqBbnr/pp2p1Bp/3P1pp1/4N2k/4P3/1Q5P/PP3P1P/RN1R2K1 PG in 14.0 mentioned in article. This offers different artistic continuation (with Pronkin instead of Ceriani-Frolkin).
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Keywords: Unique Proof Game, Valladao Task, Castling (wk), En passant, Promotion (l), Prenix (l), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (l)
Genre: Retro
Computer test: HJ: C+ Stelvio 1.0
FEN: rn1qBbnr/pp2p1Bp/3P1pp1/4N3/4P1Pk/1Q5P/PP5P/RN3RK1
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-19
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-20 more...
Genre: Retro
Computer test: HJ: C+ Stelvio 1.0
FEN: rn1qBbnr/pp2p1Bp/3P1pp1/4N3/4P1Pk/1Q5P/PP5P/RN3RK1
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-19
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-20 more...
1. d3 e5 2. Sd2 e4 3. Sdf3 exf3 4. b4 fxe2 5. La3 exf1=S 6. Dg4 Ke7 7. 0-0-0 Kd6 8. b5+ c5 9. bxc6ep+ Kc7 10. Dxd7 Kb6 11. g4 Sg3 12. hxg3
Objective: co-record shortest achievement of task, followed by artistic continuation.
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Keywords: Unique Proof Game, Valladao Task, Castling (wg), En passant, Promotion (s), Ceriani-Frolkin Theme (s)
Genre: Retro
Computer test: HJ: C+ Stelvio 1.0
FEN: rnbq1bnr/pp1Q1ppp/1kP5/8/6P1/B2P2P1/P1P2P2/2KR2NR
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-19
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-20 more...
Genre: Retro
Computer test: HJ: C+ Stelvio 1.0
FEN: rnbq1bnr/pp1Q1ppp/1kP5/8/6P1/B2P2P1/P1P2P2/2KR2NR
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-19
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-03-20 more...
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The problems of this query have been registered by the following contributors:
Alain Brobecker (1)Mario Richter (1)
Felber, Volker (2)
A.Buchanan (6)
Composed for http://abrobecker.free.fr/chess/IntroductionToPGs.pdf
>>> Agreed with Enzo Minerva that this is EM v AB: 24-Dec-2014. (Original is at P1284755.)
Kevin Begley: Partially anticipated, by Enzo Minerva, Best Problems 2005 (which shows Valladao-Monteiro in as many moves, based upon the same idea). (2014-03-01)
A.Buchanan: Thanks for highlighting this, Kevin. I had searched PDB for prior art before composing this one, but Enzo's problem was (and still is) absent. I feel that my little composition does add something more. In mine, the identity-defining Ceriani-Frolkin bishop move is not a capture. And WQ has potentially three routes to its final square, including the CF promotion square, but the two duals are eliminated by the waiting move d3. So, is Enzo still active? I am thinking this partial anticipation probably a case of "AB after EM" but if Enzo is still around I would like to discuss with him out of courtesy. (2014-05-01)
Kevin Begley: Andrew, at best, I see yours as a version. (2014-05-01)
Kevin Begley: Compare to 'P1284755'. Clearly Andrew's version is better (and not only because of the extra move avoiding check in diagram -- which may be forgiven in a proofgame aiming specifically for brevity), however thematically, they are nearly indistinguishable. I leave it for Andrew and Enzo to collaboratively determine the proper credit here. (2014-05-01)
A.Buchanan: Oh for Pete's sake... there's *another*, now I look in WinChloe:
Alexeï GASPARYAN Oakham PG Tourney,
The Problemist Supplement 2009-10
1° Mention d'Honneur.
rnb2rk1/pp1p1ppp/3p4/2q5/1b6/3p4/PPP1PKPP/RNBQ1BNR
PG in 9.0
1.f3 e5 2.f4 Bb4 3.f5 Ne7 4.f6 00 5.f×e7 e4 6.e8=N Qg5 7.Nd6 c×d6 8.Kf2 Qc5+ 9.d4 e×d3ep+ (C+)
Now the date in WinChloe is wrong: what counts is the closing date for the tournament, 31-12-2009 (although the judging was only held in 07-2010, and publication was in 11-2010). Mine was published in 01-2010 (composed on 10-01-2010. I think I fold at this point, and allow Messrs. Minerva & Gasparan to duke it out, if they care. (2014-05-04)
A.Buchanan: @Kevin: and on the subject of versioning. Do you have a link to anything that gives guidelines to relative attribution. The Codex is sketchy (as usual), and I don't know where else to look. (2014-05-04)
Henrik Juel: On versioning:
When inspired by a published problem by AA to improve it, I would write 'hj after AA' if my contribution is large and 'AA, version by hj' is it is small. Of course, 'improve', 'large', and 'small' are not well defined, so it is up to the improver and the editor what to choose, and up to the judge whether an award is warranted.
In the Minerva-Gasparyan-Buchanan case the later authors surely were not inspired by the first, so here I would suggest the following possibilities: anticipated, partially anticipated, and not anticipated, again leaving the final verdict to the judge (2014-05-04)
A.Buchanan: I don't see any fundamental difference between accidental and deliberate partial anticipation. Ultimately the choice is between labeling the problem as "A,version", "A,version B" or "B, after A". I am totally ok with whatever Minerva/Gasparyan eventually determine. However, I don't think that PDB supports "A, version B" currently. (2014-05-05)
A.Buchanan: Not heard anything from Messrs Minerva or Gasparyan. I should rephrase my earlier statement as: "I don't see any fundamental difference between accidental partial anticipation, and acknowledged deliberate versioning, in terms of the set of possible final outcomes." (2014-12-24)
A.Buchanan: Resolved with Enzo :D! (See above!) (2014-12-24)
A.Buchanan: Resolved with Alexey in Facebook yesterday :D! AB: "I would like to ask you: are you ok with the current attribution of my problem?" AG: "Yes I agree." So there we are. Maybe EM & AG will conduct diplomatic negotiations at some point, but that's not my concern :) (2021-10-05)
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