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1 - P0000933
Luigi Ceriani
Sahovski vjesnik 12/1951
1. Preis
P0000933
(2+11) C+
Letzter Zug?
R: 1. Kg8xDh8
Solved in YouTubex httx//www. youtube. com/watch?v=Do_rkLQnrpk
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A.Buchanan: Solved in YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do_rkLQnrpk (2022-02-17)
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Keywords: Type A, Last Move? (KxD), Economy record (Last Move? Type A), Type B (a fortiori), Economy record (Last Move? Type B), Minimal
Genre: Retro
Computer test: Solved in YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do_rkLQnrpk
FEN: 3bkN1K/pppprp1p/4p1p1/8/8/8/8/8
Reprints: 1372 FEENSCHACH 08-09/1952
Problem 10-12 12/1952
1.2A Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 172, 2010
1.2B Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 172, 2010
YouTube 13/02/2022
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1995-06-03
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2 - P0001185
Zdravko Maslar
(291) Problem 45-48 11/1957
16. TEMATSKOG TURNIRA "PROBLEMA" 1.-2. Preis e.a.
P0001185
(4+9)
Welches war der letzte Zug?
R: 1. Tc8xDb8
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Keywords: Last Move? (TxD), Type B (a fortiori), Type A
Genre: Retro
FEN: BR1rk3/1pKppRp1/1pp2p2/8/8/8/8/8
Reprints: 58 Europe Echecs 36 08/1961
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1995-06-03
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-22 more...
3 - P0008784
Niels Høeg
The Chess Amateur 07/1926
P0008784
(1+1)
Längste BP ohne Schach. Welches war der letzte Zug?
R: 5899. Kg2xTh1
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The game ends after 50 consecutive moves without captures or pawn moves (loss of castling right is not included here), or when there is not enough material to mate (say K-K or K-KS). There are 30 captures and 96 pawn moves (including 8 pawn captures) available, so the longest game seems to last (30+96-8)x50=5900 moves. This cannot be achieved because of the move-loss when the draw-preventing move shifts between white and black. Niels Høeg believed that 2 moves were lost and stated the solution as 5898.- Kb7xTa8. Karl Fabel later showed that only 1.5 moves need be lost.

Since 1926, there have been some relevant innovations to rules and conventions
(1) 50 move rule applies only to retro compositions, and will trigger automatically (no issue with writing down the move). (Codex 1953?)
(2) Removal of rules about draw by insufficient material (Laws 1997)
(3) Dead position rule introduced (Laws 1997)
(4) 75 move rule introduced (Laws 2014)
(5) Dead position rule applies only to retro compositions (Codex 2015)
(6) Articles 9.2 & 9.3 apply to chess problems - this includes 50 move rule and excludes 75 move rule (Codex 2019)

This is certainly a composition rather than a question about over the board chess. And it is certainly a retro composition. So the 50 move rule will dominate the 75 rule. The standard interpretation of interaction between 50 move rule and Dead Position in compositions is that Dead Position assessment *is* aware of looming automatic draw by 50 moves. (Note there is a similar assessment for interaction between Dead Position and Draw by Repetition.)

So we can argue that the game cannot last to 5898.5 moves, because the final move leads to a mandatory draw: either the king captures the last officer, or the king avoids the capture and the game ends in draw under the 50 move rule. So the position is dead at 5898.0. But even 5898.0 is too long for the diagram position with the kings so far apart. In the alternate reality if the last capture of a rook does not take place, there must be sufficient moves left for the kings to come together so that the rook can deliver checkmate. This will take at least 6.0 moves.

There is also still an ambiguity in the rules as to whether checkmate overrides draw by 50 moves. This is explicitly mentioned in the 75 move rule, but not in 50 move rule. I assume that checkmate *does* take priority.

Or does a valid problem only exist in the context of the rules and conventions that pertained at the time of its composition? The Codex does not opine on this general point.

Compare P1331022

Duplicate Diagram: P1101148, P1189676, P1191185, P1304589

A.Buchanan: There's a question whether DP rule has visibility of 3Rep & 50M state. The current consensus among most of the tiny group who might care is that for retros, it does have visibility, but for purely forward problems, it does not. This align with the idea that by default 50M & DP rules apply only to retros (2023-09-06)
A.Buchanan: The old intended interpretation is protected under the Golden Age principle. Suppose we do apply modern rules, codex & clarifications. If Black just played Kb7xRa8, then the alternative leading to mate takes 7.0 moves, so this must have been Black's 5892nd move at the latest. If White just moved, then it was White's 5892nd at latest. So to maximize the length of the game, Black moved last. (2023-09-06) edit (2023-09-06)
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Keywords: Longest Proof Game, Last Move?, only Kings, Non-Unique Proof Game, Dead Position, 50 move rule, Constrained problem, Type A, Miniature, Golden Age (pre-dead), Aristocrat
Genre: Mathematics, Retro
FEN: k7/8/8/8/8/8/8/7K
Reprints: Schackproblemet 1928
Schach und Zahl 1966
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1997-06-20
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-01-18 more...
4 - P1405296
Andrew Buchanan
Andrey Frolkin

AA042 The Hopper Magazine I02 23/06/2022
P1405296
(13+9)
First move of wRb2?
R: 1. g2xBh3 h4-h3 2. Te2-b2 h5-h4 3. 0-0-0-0-0-0 h6-h5 4. e7-e8=T h7-h6 5. f6xDe7,f6xL/Se7
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e6e77hAXxKajrJdu5Rd3hdsA0k3QSH9D/view
Thanks to Mario Richter for finding a bug, now fixed by switching pawns g-h files
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Keywords: Type A, First Move?, Staugaard castling, Economy record
Genre: Retro, Fairies
FEN: n2N4/PPkp1pp1/PNBp4/Bp1p4/1p6/4K2P/PR5P/7R
Input: James Malcom, 2022-10-20
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-07-27 more...
5 - P1409983
Andrey Frolkin
Werner Keym

1.67 Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 196, 2010
P1409983
(10+2)
Letzter Zug?
R: 1. g3xBh4 h5-h4 and e.g. 2. Kf4-g5 Kh4-h3
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Keywords: Economy record (Last Move? Type A), Last Move? (BxB), Non-standard material (L), Type A, Type B (a fortiori), Economy record (Last Move? Type B), Minimal
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/1p5P/6PP/5BK1/6PP/5B1k/6NP/8
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-28
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6 - P1409984
Theophilus Harding Willcocks
1.68 Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 196, 2010
P1409984
(3+9)
Letzter Zug?
R: 1. a7xTb8=L h7-h6 2. a6-a7 Ka7-a8 3. a5-a6 and e.g. 3. ... Ta8-b8 4. Tb8-c8
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Keywords: Economy record (Last Move? Type A), Type A, Last Move? (BxT=L), Promotion (L)
Genre: Retro
FEN: kBRn4/1pKppp2/1pp4p/8/8/8/8/8
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-28
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-31 more...
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