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1 - P0000933
Luigi Ceriani
Sahovski vjesnik 12/1951
1. Preis
P0000933
(2+11) C+
Letzter Zug?
R: 1. Kg8xDh8
Solved in YouTubex httx//www. youtube. com/watch?v=Do_rkLQnrpk
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A.Buchanan: Solved in YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do_rkLQnrpk (2022-02-17)
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Keywords: Type A, Last Move? (KxD), Economy record (Last Move? Type A), Type B (a fortiori), Economy record (Last Move? Type B), Minimal
Genre: Retro
Computer test: Solved in YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do_rkLQnrpk
FEN: 3bkN1K/pppprp1p/4p1p1/8/8/8/8/8
Reprints: 1372 FEENSCHACH 08-09/1952
Problem 10-12 12/1952
1.2A Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 172, 2010
1.2B Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 172, 2010
YouTube 13/02/2022
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1995-06-03
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-06-01 more...
2 - P0001185
Zdravko Maslar
(291) Problem 45-48 11/1957
16. TEMATSKOG TURNIRA "PROBLEMA" 1.-2. Preis e.a.
P0001185
(4+9)
Welches war der letzte Zug?
R: 1. Tc8xDb8
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Keywords: Last Move? (TxD), Type B (a fortiori), Type A
Genre: Retro
FEN: BR1rk3/1pKppRp1/1pp2p2/8/8/8/8/8
Reprints: 58 Europe Echecs 36 08/1961
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1995-06-03
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-22 more...
3 - P0001785
Andrey Frolkin
Andrej N. Kornilow

1 Rex Multiplex 27 08/1989
P0001785
(16+0)
Färbe die Steine!
Welches war der letzte Zug?
Schwarz am Zug
a) R: 1. Kh4-h3
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Henrik Juel: Last move is determined only if it is known to be white. (2003-11-20)
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Keywords: Colouring problem, Kindergarten Problem, Last Move? (K-), Type B, Economy record (Last Move? Type B Co)
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/8/7K/6PP/4PPP1/3PPPPK/3PPPPP/8
Reprints: (A) feenschach 130 10-12/1998
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1995-06-03
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-06-13 more...
4 - P0007232
Adamas
(2) feenschach 35 08-10/1976
P0007232
(5+1)
Welches war der letzte Zug?
Ohneschach
R: 1. Kg1xSh2#
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Keywords: Last Move? (KxS), Checkless, Miniature
Genre: Retro, Fairies
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/7P/2Q3PK/4k2R
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1996-08-18
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-15 more...
5 - P0008784
Niels Høeg
The Chess Amateur 07/1926
P0008784
(1+1)
Längste BP ohne Schach. Welches war der letzte Zug?
R: 5899. Kg2xTh1
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The game ends after 50 consecutive moves without captures or pawn moves (loss of castling right is not included here), or when there is not enough material to mate (say K-K or K-KS). There are 30 captures and 96 pawn moves (including 8 pawn captures) available, so the longest game seems to last (30+96-8)x50=5900 moves. This cannot be achieved because of the move-loss when the draw-preventing move shifts between white and black. Niels Høeg believed that 2 moves were lost and stated the solution as 5898.- Kb7xTa8. Karl Fabel later showed that only 1.5 moves need be lost.

Since 1926, there have been some relevant innovations to rules and conventions
(1) 50 move rule applies only to retro compositions, and will trigger automatically (no issue with writing down the move). (Codex 1953?)
(2) Removal of rules about draw by insufficient material (Laws 1997)
(3) Dead position rule introduced (Laws 1997)
(4) 75 move rule introduced (Laws 2014)
(5) Dead position rule applies only to retro compositions (Codex 2015)
(6) Articles 9.2 & 9.3 apply to chess problems - this includes 50 move rule and excludes 75 move rule (Codex 2019)

This is certainly a composition rather than a question about over the board chess. And it is certainly a retro composition. So the 50 move rule will dominate the 75 rule. The standard interpretation of interaction between 50 move rule and Dead Position in compositions is that Dead Position assessment *is* aware of looming automatic draw by 50 moves. (Note there is a similar assessment for interaction between Dead Position and Draw by Repetition.)

So we can argue that the game cannot last to 5898.5 moves, because the final move leads to a mandatory draw: either the king captures the last officer, or the king avoids the capture and the game ends in draw under the 50 move rule. So the position is dead at 5898.0. But even 5898.0 is too long for the diagram position with the kings so far apart. In the alternate reality if the last capture of a rook does not take place, there must be sufficient moves left for the kings to come together so that the rook can deliver checkmate. This will take at least 6.0 moves.

There is also still an ambiguity in the rules as to whether checkmate overrides draw by 50 moves. This is explicitly mentioned in the 75 move rule, but not in 50 move rule. I assume that checkmate *does* take priority.

Or does a valid problem only exist in the context of the rules and conventions that pertained at the time of its composition? The Codex does not opine on this general point.

Compare P1331022

Duplicate Diagram: P1101148, P1189676, P1191185, P1304589

A.Buchanan: There's a question whether DP rule has visibility of 3Rep & 50M state. The current consensus among most of the tiny group who might care is that for retros, it does have visibility, but for purely forward problems, it does not. This align with the idea that by default 50M & DP rules apply only to retros (2023-09-06)
A.Buchanan: The old intended interpretation is protected under the Golden Age principle. Suppose we do apply modern rules, codex & clarifications. If Black just played Kb7xRa8, then the alternative leading to mate takes 7.0 moves, so this must have been Black's 5892nd move at the latest. If White just moved, then it was White's 5892nd at latest. So to maximize the length of the game, Black moved last. (2023-09-06) edit (2023-09-06)
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Keywords: Longest Proof Game, Last Move?, only Kings, Non-Unique Proof Game, Dead Position, 50 move rule, Constrained problem, Type A, Miniature, Golden Age (pre-dead), Aristocrat
Genre: Mathematics, Retro
FEN: k7/8/8/8/8/8/8/7K
Reprints: Schackproblemet 1928
Schach und Zahl 1966
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1997-06-20
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-01-18 more...
6 - P1001038
Andrew Buchanan
4v Retros mailing list 21/01/2001
P1001038
(14+1) C+
Last move?
#2
1. 0-0 Kxe2 2. Te1#
R: 1. Ke4-e3
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Die vorherige Stellung war noch nicht tot, wenn Weiß noch rochieren darf.
AB: First proof of "can castle", without recourse to conventions. (2009-11-22)
A.Buchanan: deadpos doesn't understand about retro logic yet, so does not eliminate R: 1. Ke4xLSBe3? (2022-11-13)
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Keywords: Dead Position, Castling, Rex solus (s), Obvious promotion (L), Last Move?, Type B
Genre: Retro, 2#
Computer test: HC+ Forward Popeye 4.79 DP deadpos
FEN: 8/7Q/8/4BB2/2PP1P2/3NkN2/PP2P1P1/4K2R
Reprints: 13 idee & form 156, p. 5284, 10/2022
Input: Gerd Wilts, 2001-01-25
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-12-27 more...
7 - P1011875
Andrej N. Kornilow
Andrey Frolkin

12111 Die Schwalbe 204 12/2003
3. Preis
P1011875
(13+12)
Ergänze einen weißen Stein auf der h-Linie!
a) Letzter Zug?
b) Letzter Zug des wK?
a) +wSh8 R: 1. Sg6xTh8 Th7-h8 2. Sc3-d1 Th8-h7 3. Sb5-c3 Th7-h8 4. Sd4-b5 Th8-h7 5. Sc6-d4 Th7-h8 6. Sb8-c6 Th8-h7 7. b7-b8=S Th7-h8 8. b6-b7 Th8-h7 9. b5-b6 Th7-h8 10. b4-b5 Th8-h7 11. Sh2-f1 Th7-h8 12. Sf3-h2 Th8-h7 13. Sd4-f3 Th7-h8 14. Sc6-d4 Th8-h7 15. Sb8-c6 Th7-h8 16. b7-b8=S Th8-h7 17. b6-b7 Th7-h8 18. b5-b6 Th8-h7 19. a4xBb5 Th7-h8 20. Dh8-g8 b6-b5 21. Kg8xSf8 Te8-e7 22. a3-a4 Le7-d8 23. a2-a3 Lc5-e7 24. b3-b4 e7-e6 25.
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Das Schach, in dem der sK steht, kann nur durch einen wSh8 oder einen wLh7 aufgehoben werden. Damit Schwarz vor dem Schach gezogen haben kann, muß die weiße Figur eine schwarze Figur entschlagen. Die beiden anderen fehlenden weißen Steine wurden von den sBBg und h geschlagen, d.h. die beiden wBa2b2 müssen sich beide auf b8 umgewandelt haben. Im letzten weißen Zug wurde auf der h-Linie ein sT entschlagen, da ein sL oder sS vorher nicht gezogen haben konnten und eine sD die Umwandlung des sBb7 auf b1 in eine D erfordert hätte, was unmöglich ist, da dann der wB mit zwei Schlägen um den sBb herumgeschlagen haben müßte, was aber insgesamt 5 weiße Schläge erfordert hätte. Als letzter Zug von Weiß ist also Sg6xTh8 oder Lg6xTh7 denkbar.
Um die Stellung aufzulösen, muß die wD nach h8 und der wK nach g8 ausweichen und ein Stein auf f8 gestellt werden, damit der sTe8 nach e7 kann. Da dazu einige weiße und schwarze Tempozüge benötigt werden kann dies nur wie folgt erreicht werden:
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Keywords: Uncapture of pieces by pieces, Add pieces, Last move of a specific piece?, Last Move?
Genre: Retro
FEN: 3b1KQ1/p1pprp2/4pR1k/5pRq/6PB/4P1pb/2PP1PP1/3N1N2
Reprints: feenschach 155 2004
A3855 Phénix 147 01/2006
(8) Die Schwalbe 240 12/2009
Input: Gerd Wilts, 2003-12-30
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-01-15 more...
8 - P1085411
Werner Keym
13393 Die Schwalbe 225 06/2007
P1085411
(8+9)
Letzter Zug?
Duplex
s) R: 1. b3xBa2 f6xBg7
w) R: 1. ... f6xBg7 2. b3xBa2
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All captures are accounted for by hungry pawns, wBf1 died at home, & bPh waylaid. wPa & bPg can only have been captured on their home squares. bPc6 & bPd6 can't have just moved as they would close off bB homes. Most interestingly, wPd4 must have captured light-squared bB, but did not do so recently, as wPf3 would lock the south-east cage. Need Ng1 to shield wKh1, allowing bKg3. So the two last single moves are clear, and may have occurred in either order.
Henrik Juel: Good analysis, Andrew (2024-02-19)
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Keywords: Last Move? (BxB,BxB), Type D (DD), Economy record (Last Move? Type DD), Volet Pawn (2), waylaid (sBh)
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/ppp3P1/2pp4/8/4P3/7P/p1PPPkPK/4bq2
Input: Gerd Wilts, 2009-06-08
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-02-19 more...
9 - P1100901
Michael Grushko
MG/15 feenschach 173, p. 272, 07-09/2008
P1100901
(3+2)
Letzter Zug?
Typ C
Andernacher Circe
R: 1. wLg1xsTf1=s[+wTa1]#
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Walter Lindenthal: Da sollte ein Tippfehler mit sTf1 vorliegen, es müsste heißen: R: 1. wLg1xsTf2=s[+wTa1]# (2024-02-17)
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Keywords: Last Move? (LxT), Type M, Circe (Andernacher), Andernach Chess, Type C
Genre: Retro, Fairies
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/3K4/5b2/R3k2R
Input: Gerd Wilts, 2010-03-01
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-06-03 more...
10 - P1294321
Andrew Buchanan
www.anselan.com 2001
P1294321
(1+2)
Black to move. Last move?
R: 1. Kb8xSa8
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Gerald Ettl: steht der sLh5 vielleicht auf h2 ?? (2023-07-02)
SCHRECKE: Why not R: Kb8xLa8? (2023-07-03)
Mario Richter: Wie "SCHRECKE" mit seiner Frage schon illustriert hat: mit dem sL auf h2 wäre das Problem inkorrekt, da neben R: 1. Kb8xSa8 auch R: 1. Kb8xLa8 als letzter Zug möglich gewesen wäre. Grund sind die etwas verwirrenden Dead-Reckoning-Regeln: mit sLh5 kann zuletzt nicht Kb8xLa8 geschehen sein, da in der Stellung wKb8 - sKb6 sLh5 sLa8 wegen der unzureichendes-Material-zum-Mattsetzen-Regel das Spiel schon in dieser Position beendet gewesen wäre, der wK als gar nicht mehr zur Ausführung eines Zuges geommen wäre ... (2023-07-03)
Mario Richter: Dear James, I suggest that you undo last change and put the black bishop back on h5! (2023-07-03)
A.Buchanan: There are 17 valid squares for the wB. Got to be on a light square for reasons given. Also it can't occupy or attack c8. And can't be attacking a8 because BTM. I think h5 selection was random, but could argue for any. (2023-07-04)
A.Buchanan: Or maybe bBa4, with which White by his last move avoided a completely sound #12. (2023-07-04)
Gerald Ettl: Dann waere es vielleicht ganz sinnvoll man schreibt die Bedingung unter das Diagramm. (2023-07-04)
A.Buchanan: Hi Gerald, it's not a condition, it's a FIDE rule since 1997, invented by a problemist who is also a rules committee member (Igor Vereschchagin) and approved by the rules committee (headed by FIDE Head International Arbiter Stewart Reuben), backed up by a WFCC convention since 2015 (Kjell Widlert & Michel Caillaud, responding to a request from some endgame studiers who understood that it was a real thing. Like 50M rule, it applies by default for retro problems. And the PDB keywords here give the game away anyway. If it was a forward stipulation, then I would indeed add a stipulation, e.g. P1208623. Please enjoy the madness that is DP rule :) P.S. I have found recently that it was really invented by Shakespeare. (2023-07-04)
Gerald Ettl: Ich spiele nicht nach den FIDE-Regel. (2023-07-04)
Olaf Jenkner: Allright.
https://www.skat-online.com/regeln-hilfe/regelwerk/internationale-skatordnung.html (2023-07-05)
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Keywords: Type B, Last Move? (KxS), Dead Position, Economy record (Last Move? Type B), Rex solus (W), Aristocrat, Miniature, Minimal
Genre: Retro
FEN: K7/8/1k6/7b/8/8/8/8
Reprints: Retros mailing list 20/02/2007
Input: A.Buchanan, 2015-01-07
Last update: James Malcom, 2023-07-03 more...
11 - P1409983
Andrey Frolkin
Werner Keym

1.67 Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 196, 2010
P1409983
(10+2)
Letzter Zug?
R: 1. g3xBh4 h5-h4 and e.g. 2. Kf4-g5 Kh4-h3
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Keywords: Economy record (Last Move? Type A), Last Move? (BxB), Non-standard material (L), Type A, Type B (a fortiori), Economy record (Last Move? Type B), Minimal
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/1p5P/6PP/5BK1/6PP/5B1k/6NP/8
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-28
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12 - P1409984
Theophilus Harding Willcocks
1.68 Eigenartige Schachprobleme , p. 196, 2010
P1409984
(3+9)
Letzter Zug?
R: 1. a7xTb8=L h7-h6 2. a6-a7 Ka7-a8 3. a5-a6 and e.g. 3. ... Ta8-b8 4. Tb8-c8
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Keywords: Economy record (Last Move? Type A), Type A, Last Move? (BxT=L), Promotion (L)
Genre: Retro
FEN: kBRn4/1pKppp2/1pp4p/8/8/8/8/8
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-28
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-05-31 more...
13 - P1411211
Werner Keym
OP035 The Hopper Magazine I04 13/07/2023
P1411211
(3+11)
Last move?
R: 1. Ke8xDf7#
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Version of Die Schwalbe 1990, see P0000180
SCHRECKE: vergleiche: P0000180 (2023-07-25)
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Keywords: Last Move? (KxD), Type C, Type M
Genre: Retro
FEN: nBk2Rn1/pp1ppKp1/1p3p1p/8/8/8/8/8
Input: Miguel Ambrona, 2023-07-25
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-07-27 more...
14 - P1411299
Jan Hein Verduin
SS046 The Hopper Magazine I02 25/6/2022
P1411299
(8+4) C+
H#1.5
1. ... d8=S 2. a1=T gxh8=D#
R: 1. b2-b1=L
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Yuri Bilokin: more economical -wBg5, -wSh7, -wPa3, bQh8(-bRh8) 6kq/3P1NP1/8/8/8/1K6/p1P5/1b6 (5+4) H#1.5

1...d8=S 2.a1=R gxh8=Q# (MM)

Tempo promotion
Promotion (QSr, 2, 1)
Tempo move (bP, waiting, type 1)
Model mate × 1 (2023-08-04)
Henrik Juel: C+ Popeye 4.61 (2023-08-04)
A.Buchanan: heh Yuri the 4th promotion is in the retraction: R: 1. b2-b1=L. The other pieces serve to force retro-uniqueness. (2023-08-04)
Olaf Jenkner: Vergleiche mit P1190770 oder P1190771 (2023-08-04)
A.Buchanan: Very nice! These remind me of my own P1408845. (2023-08-05)
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Keywords: Allumwandlung, Last Move?
Genre: h#, Retro
Computer test: HC+ forward popeye v4.61 retro thinking
FEN: 6kr/3P1NPN/8/6B1/8/PK6/p1P5/1b6
Input: Miguel Ambrona, 2023-07-27
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-08-04 more...
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