3 problem(s) found in 6173 milliseconds (displaying 3 problem(s)). [COMMENTDATE>=20220810 AND NOT K='Bauernmatt' AND K='Illegal Cluster'] [download as LaTeX]
1 - P0007026
Josef Haas
1411 feenschach 25 10/1974
1. ehrende Erwähnung
(5+1)
Ergänze 4wBB und 4sBB zu einem IC!
Josef Haas
1411 feenschach 25 10/1974
1. ehrende Erwähnung
(5+1)
Ergänze 4wBB und 4sBB zu einem IC!
a) 1.
Im IC verhindern die sBB, daß der wLd4 ein UW-L sein kann, die Konfiguration der weißen Steine, daß er der original-Lc1 sein kann.
Im IC verhindern die sBB, daß der wLd4 ein UW-L sein kann, die Konfiguration der weißen Steine, daß er der original-Lc1 sein kann.
Keywords: Illegal cluster, Miniature
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/8/8/3k4/3B4/3P4/3K4/2NB4
Reprints: feenschach 28 05-07/1975
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1996-08-11
Last update: Mario Richter, 2022-09-19 more...
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/8/8/3k4/3B4/3P4/3K4/2NB4
Reprints: feenschach 28 05-07/1975
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1996-08-11
Last update: Mario Richter, 2022-09-19 more...
2 - P1013376
Hans Gruber
3470 Die Schwalbe 68 04/1981
(0+0)
Ergänze 1 Stein zu einem illegal cluster.
Wie viele Lösungen?
Kamikaze rex inklusive
Schlagschach
Hans Gruber
3470 Die Schwalbe 68 04/1981
(0+0)
Ergänze 1 Stein zu einem illegal cluster.
Wie viele Lösungen?
Kamikaze rex inklusive
Schlagschach
736.
Henrik Juel: In Losing Chess the kings are not royal
In Kamikaze RI each capture removes one white and one black man
So the empty board is legal, and any position with one man (KDTLSP) is illegal
An Illegal Cluster is an illegal position that becomes legal when you remove any one non-king
My guess would be 2x6x64 = 768 or possibly 2x5x64 = 640
Where did I go wrong? (2020-07-12)
Henrik Juel: maybe 768 - 32 = 736
where 32 is the number of ways you can put a pawn on row 1 or 8 (2022-10-13)
A.Buchanan: In an “orthodox” illegal cluster, a pawn couldn’t be on the first or last rank unless it was the only non-king unit. There’s probably no principle to cover this rather dull corner-case KPvK. Ask HG! (2022-10-14)
A.Buchanan: And in orthodoxy, do two adjacent kings constitute an illegal cluster? There are no non-king units to remove, so the condition is vacuously satisfied (2022-10-14)
Henrik Juel: On your last comment, Andrew:
Two adjacent kings do not constitute an IC. The position is illegal, and when you remove any non-king you get the same illegal position (2022-10-14)
A.Buchanan: Define that a box is SAFE if it contains no radioactive objects. So is every empty box safe? Yes! :-) (2022-10-14)
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In Kamikaze RI each capture removes one white and one black man
So the empty board is legal, and any position with one man (KDTLSP) is illegal
An Illegal Cluster is an illegal position that becomes legal when you remove any one non-king
My guess would be 2x6x64 = 768 or possibly 2x5x64 = 640
Where did I go wrong? (2020-07-12)
Henrik Juel: maybe 768 - 32 = 736
where 32 is the number of ways you can put a pawn on row 1 or 8 (2022-10-13)
A.Buchanan: In an “orthodox” illegal cluster, a pawn couldn’t be on the first or last rank unless it was the only non-king unit. There’s probably no principle to cover this rather dull corner-case KPvK. Ask HG! (2022-10-14)
A.Buchanan: And in orthodoxy, do two adjacent kings constitute an illegal cluster? There are no non-king units to remove, so the condition is vacuously satisfied (2022-10-14)
Henrik Juel: On your last comment, Andrew:
Two adjacent kings do not constitute an IC. The position is illegal, and when you remove any non-king you get the same illegal position (2022-10-14)
A.Buchanan: Define that a box is SAFE if it contains no radioactive objects. So is every empty box safe? Yes! :-) (2022-10-14)
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Keywords: Losing Chess, Kamikaze, Illegal cluster
Genre: Fairies, Retro
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8
Input: Hans Gruber, 2004-05-01
Last update: Kevin Begley, 2022-10-13 more...
Genre: Fairies, Retro
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8
Input: Hans Gruber, 2004-05-01
Last update: Kevin Begley, 2022-10-13 more...
3 - P1408844
Joachim Hambros
Discord Chess Problems & Studies Server 11/04/2023
(1+1)
Add White K & P, Black K & P for an illegal cluster
Joachim Hambros
Discord Chess Problems & Studies Server 11/04/2023
(1+1)
Add White K & P, Black K & P for an illegal cluster
a) R: 1. f3xSg2+,f3x~g2=+ dann 1. f3xg2+ Kg1= patt
Since last move was forced (whatever officer was captured on g2), and current position is dead, the current position is illegal under Dead Position rule & convention
Since last move was forced (whatever officer was captured on g2), and current position is dead, the current position is illegal under Dead Position rule & convention
Henrik Juel: adding wKh1, wPg3 and bKh3, bPf3 seems to work... (2023-04-13)
Mario Richter: Henrik, can you please explain why the position you suggested is an IC? (2023-04-14)
A.Buchanan: See I wonder if a problem like this should get the keyword "Illegal position" too, to indicate that the diagram position (before the pieces get added) is not the result of typing issues. (2023-04-14)
Henrik Juel: I was probably wrong, Mario
No need to add 'Illegal position', Andrew; lots of IC problems have an illegal initial diagram (2023-04-14)
A.Buchanan: You were right, Henrik! :)
And for "Add pieces" problems which are not IC, should we have "Illegal position" too? The point, as it would be for joke problems, is to inform that the diagram position does not contain a typo. It's like "[sic]" in prose-writing. (2023-04-15)
Henrik Juel: If my solution works, the problem should be labelled cooked
I guess there is no harm with 'Illegal position', if it helps the solver (2023-04-15)
A.Buchanan: Sorry I wasn't reading carefully enough, Henrik. Your suggested cluster is not illegal (2023-04-15)
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Mario Richter: Henrik, can you please explain why the position you suggested is an IC? (2023-04-14)
A.Buchanan: See I wonder if a problem like this should get the keyword "Illegal position" too, to indicate that the diagram position (before the pieces get added) is not the result of typing issues. (2023-04-14)
Henrik Juel: I was probably wrong, Mario
No need to add 'Illegal position', Andrew; lots of IC problems have an illegal initial diagram (2023-04-14)
A.Buchanan: You were right, Henrik! :)
And for "Add pieces" problems which are not IC, should we have "Illegal position" too? The point, as it would be for joke problems, is to inform that the diagram position does not contain a typo. It's like "[sic]" in prose-writing. (2023-04-15)
Henrik Juel: If my solution works, the problem should be labelled cooked
I guess there is no harm with 'Illegal position', if it helps the solver (2023-04-15)
A.Buchanan: Sorry I wasn't reading carefully enough, Henrik. Your suggested cluster is not illegal (2023-04-15)
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Keywords: Illegal cluster, Kindergarten Problem, Dead Position, Miniature, Homebase
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/8/8/8/6p1/8/5P2/8
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-04-13
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-04-14 more...
Genre: Retro
FEN: 8/8/8/8/6p1/8/5P2/8
Input: A.Buchanan, 2023-04-13
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2023-04-14 more...
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