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1 - P0002735
Theodor Steudel
3511 Problemkiste 95 10/1994
P0002735
(1+1) C+
(-1w -1s)*, dann h=1
2 Lösungen
R: 1. Kh2-g1 Kg4xDf3, dann 1. Kh4 Df5=
R: 1. Kf1-g1 Kg3xDf3, dann 1. Kh2 Kf2=
"set play" ( -s, dann h=1 )
R: 1. Ke2xDf3, dann 1. Ke1 Dd3=
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Duplicate Diagram: P1187070

Adrian Storisteanu: Is the star "*" in the stipulation supposed to indicate a kind of "set play" in the retro part -- in effect a "-1s dann h=1"? Because there is one:
- 1.Ke2xQf3 & 1.Ke2-e1 Qf3-d3=. (2015-08-02)
A.Buchanan: That's a clever interpretation Adrian, I am sure you are right, and it's sound according to Deadpos (2024-01-13)
Adrian Storisteanu: A more precise stipulation would be something like: (-w -s)*, dann h=1 (2024-01-14)
A.Buchanan: Good idea. The convention is that * promises at least one set play instance. (2024-01-15)
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Keywords: Help retractor, only Kings, Aristocrat, Miniature
Genre: Retro, Fairies
Computer test: C+ Deadpos v2.3 14-Jan-2024
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/5k2/8/6K1
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1995-06-03
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-01-18 more...
2 - P0006339
Yosif Krikheli
8945 FEENSCHACH 09-10/1968
P0006339
(1+1) cooked
-1w -1s, dann h=1
2 Lösungen
1) R: 1. Kc5xDd6 Dd7xDd6, dann 1. Dc6 Dxc6=
2) R: 1. Kc5xBd6 c7xDd6, dann 1. c6 Dxc6#
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siehe 9200
mri: Mehrere NL, z.B. R: Kc6xLd6 Lc5xDd6 V: 1.Ka5-a6 Dd6xc5 oder R: Kc5xTd6 Tb6xDd6 V: 1.Tb6-c6 Dd6xc6 (2007-10-25)
Mario Richter: s. P0005054 (2009-12-31)
A.Buchanan: Reasonable to suppose that P0005054 is the correction (2024-01-15)
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Keywords: Help retractor, only Kings, Aristocrat, Miniature, Superseded by (P0005054)
Genre: Retro, Fairies
Computer test: C- Deadpos v2.3 14-Jan-2024
FEN: 8/8/3K4/k7/8/8/8/8
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1995-09-10
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-01-18 more...
3 - P0008784
Niels Høeg
The Chess Amateur 07/1926
P0008784
(1+1)
Längste BP ohne Schach. Welches war der letzte Zug?
R: 5899. Kg2xTh1
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The game ends after 50 consecutive moves without captures or pawn moves (loss of castling right is not included here), or when there is not enough material to mate (say K-K or K-KS). There are 30 captures and 96 pawn moves (including 8 pawn captures) available, so the longest game seems to last (30+96-8)x50=5900 moves. This cannot be achieved because of the move-loss when the draw-preventing move shifts between white and black. Niels Høeg believed that 2 moves were lost and stated the solution as 5898.- Kb7xTa8. Karl Fabel later showed that only 1.5 moves need be lost.

Since 1926, there have been some relevant innovations to rules and conventions
(1) 50 move rule applies only to retro compositions, and will trigger automatically (no issue with writing down the move). (Codex 1953?)
(2) Removal of rules about draw by insufficient material (Laws 1997)
(3) Dead position rule introduced (Laws 1997)
(4) 75 move rule introduced (Laws 2014)
(5) Dead position rule applies only to retro compositions (Codex 2015)
(6) Articles 9.2 & 9.3 apply to chess problems - this includes 50 move rule and excludes 75 move rule (Codex 2019)

This is certainly a composition rather than a question about over the board chess. And it is certainly a retro composition. So the 50 move rule will dominate the 75 rule. The standard interpretation of interaction between 50 move rule and Dead Position in compositions is that Dead Position assessment *is* aware of looming automatic draw by 50 moves. (Note there is a similar assessment for interaction between Dead Position and Draw by Repetition.)

So we can argue that the game cannot last to 5898.5 moves, because the final move leads to a mandatory draw: either the king captures the last officer, or the king avoids the capture and the game ends in draw under the 50 move rule. So the position is dead at 5898.0. But even 5898.0 is too long for the diagram position with the kings so far apart. In the alternate reality if the last capture of a rook does not take place, there must be sufficient moves left for the kings to come together so that the rook can deliver checkmate. This will take at least 6.0 moves.

There is also still an ambiguity in the rules as to whether checkmate overrides draw by 50 moves. This is explicitly mentioned in the 75 move rule, but not in 50 move rule. I assume that checkmate *does* take priority.

Or does a valid problem only exist in the context of the rules and conventions that pertained at the time of its composition? The Codex does not opine on this general point.

Compare P1331022

Duplicate Diagram: P1101148, P1189676, P1191185, P1304589

A.Buchanan: There's a question whether DP rule has visibility of 3Rep & 50M state. The current consensus among most of the tiny group who might care is that for retros, it does have visibility, but for purely forward problems, it does not. This align with the idea that by default 50M & DP rules apply only to retros (2023-09-06)
A.Buchanan: The old intended interpretation is protected under the Golden Age principle. Suppose we do apply modern rules, codex & clarifications. If Black just played Kb7xRa8, then the alternative leading to mate takes 7.0 moves, so this must have been Black's 5892nd move at the latest. If White just moved, then it was White's 5892nd at latest. So to maximize the length of the game, Black moved last. (2023-09-06) edit (2023-09-06)
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Keywords: Longest Proof Game, Last Move?, only Kings, Non-Unique Proof Game, Dead Position, 50 move rule, Constrained problem, Type A, Miniature, Golden Age (pre-dead), Aristocrat
Genre: Mathematics, Retro
FEN: k7/8/8/8/8/8/8/7K
Reprints: Schackproblemet 1928
Schach und Zahl 1966
Input: Gerd Wilts, 1997-06-20
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-01-18 more...
4 - P1111466
Peter Harris
(138) feenschach 01-03/2010
P1111466
(0+1)
h#4
Antisupercirce
Sentinelles Pion adverse
1. Kf3 [+wBe3] e4 2. Kxe4 [Kf7] [+wBf3] f4 3. Kg6 [+wBf7] f5+ 4. Kxf5 [Kh8] [+wBg6] f8=D#
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SCHRECKE: C+, popeye 4.87 (2023-05-23)
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Keywords: Circe (AntiSuper-), only Kings, Sentinels (Pion adverse)
Genre: Fairies
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/4k3/8/8
Input: Frank Müller, 2010-07-25
Last update: Kevin Begley, 2011-05-18 more...
5 - P1112386
Mrs. W. J. Baird
(2) British Chess Magazine , p. 136, 03/1903
P1112386
(1+1) C+
Hilfsrückzüger
siehe Text
R: 1. Kf6xBg6, dann 1. ... Kh8 Kf7, dann R: sBh7xBg6, dann 2. ... g7#
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Originalforderung: 1) White to retract his last move 2) Black to play 3) White to play 4) Black retract a previous move so that 5) White can give mate with Pawn.
A.Buchanan: Deadpos v2 can now solve this, even though PDB animation can't manage to show it:
6k1/8/6K1/8/8/8/8/8 b }}= r1 }}= flip }}= m2 }}= flip }}= r1 }}= flip }}= #1 (p)
h5xRg6 flip then g8h7 h5h4 flip h6xPh7 flip then h7h8q#
f5xRg6 flip then g8h7 f5f4 flip h6xPh7 flip then h7h8q#
g5xPg6 flip then g8h7 g5f6 flip h6xPh7 flip then h7h8q#
g5xPg6 flip then g8h7 g5f6 flip h6xPh7 flip then h7h8r#
g5xPg6 flip then g8h7 g5h4 flip h6xPh7 flip then h7h8q#
g5xPg6 flip then g8h7 g5g4 flip h6xPh7 flip then h7h8q#
g5xPg6 flip then g8h7 g5f4 flip h6xPh7 flip then h7h8q#
f6xPg6 flip then g8h8 f6f7 flip h7xPg6 flip then g6g7#
nsols 8 (2024-01-05)
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Keywords: only Kings, Help retractor, Aristocrat, Miniature
Genre: Retro
Computer test: C+ deadpos v2.0
FEN: 6k1/8/6K1/8/8/8/8/8
Input: Frank Müller, 2010-08-06
Last update: A.Buchanan, 2024-01-05 more...
6 - P1191599
Erich Bartel
K1858 Problemkiste (153) 06/2004
P1191599
(1+1) cooked
ser-!=7
Verwallschach (normal+Marscirce)
1. Kb2 2. Kc3 3. Kd4 4. Ke5 5. Kf6 6. Kf7 7. Ke8!= (nicht mehr orthodox, d.h. Marscirce)
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Duplicate Diagram: P1233049, P1233544

Arnold Beine: Die Aufgabe ist unlösbar.
Der Zug 6.Kf7 ist nur mit der Option "normal" erlaubt, mit der Option "Marscirce" wäre es ein illegales Selbstschach! Wenn aber im 6. Zug die Option "normal" festgelegt wird, kann der 7. Zug der AL nicht mehr ausgeführt werden. (2022-09-20)
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Keywords: Seriesmover, only Kings, Aristocrat, Miniature
Genre: Fairies
FEN: 8/3k4/8/8/8/8/8/K7
Input: Erich Bartel, 2011-03-28
Last update: Arnold Beine, 2022-09-20 more...
7 - P1207519
Theodor Steudel
3807 FEENSCHACH 02/1958
P1207519
(1+1) C+
h=2*
Gitterschach
* 1. ... Kf3 2. Ke1 Ke2=
1. Ke1 Ke3 2. Kd1 Kd2=
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vgl. Nixon 1953 (P0575588)
Steen Christensen: Anticipated by / identical to Nixon (P0575588):
Turn the board 90 degrees anticlockwise. {wKb3,sKb5} becomes {wKf2,sKd2}. (2023-10-01)
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Keywords: Grid Chess, anticipated, only Kings
Genre: Fairies
Computer test: Popeye 4.69
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/8/3k1K2/8
Input: Hans Gruber, 2011-10-09
Last update: Alfred Pfeiffer, 2015-03-11 more...
8 - P1207527
Albert Heinrich Kniest
6418 FEENSCHACH 08/1963
P1207527
(1+1) C+
Gitterschach
a) h=2*
b) Ser-h=2, Duplex
c) Gitterlinien 1 Feld nach rechts: h=2*
a) * 1. ... Kb6 2. Kb8 Kb7=
1. Kb8 Kb6 2. Kc8 Kc7=
b) 1. Kb7 ... 2. Ka6 Kb6=
b) 1. ... Kb6 ... 2. Ka7 Kb7=
c) * 1. ... Kd6 2. Kd8 Kd7=
1. Kd8 Kd6 2. Kc8 Kc7=
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Gunter Jordan: a) und letztlich auch c) sind vorweggenommen durch Nixon 1953 (P0575588) und auch durch Steudel 1958 (P1207519). (2015-03-09)
Steen Christensen: I do not see similarities between Nixon (P0575588) and a), except for the obvious ones: Identical material, stipulation and stale mate position. The problem is correctly not assigned the keyword “anticipated”, but “vgl. Nixon 1953” might be added as a comment. (2023-10-01)
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Keywords: Grid Chess, only Kings, Seriesmover
Genre: Fairies
Computer test: Popeye 4.69
FEN: 2k5/8/8/2K5/8/8/8/8
Input: Hans Gruber, 2011-10-09
Last update: Alfred Pfeiffer, 2015-04-22 more...
9 - P1207598
Artur T. Garzer
3649 Sachova skladba 47, p. 933, 09/1995
8. Lob
P1207598
(1+1) C+
h=2
2.1.1.1
Gitterschach
1) 1. Kb2 Kd3 2. Kc1 Kc2=
2) 1. Ka2 Kc3 2. Ka3 Kb3=
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Echopatts. Preisrichter war Juraj Lörinc. vgl. Nixon 1953 und Kniest 1963
Gunter Jordan: Vorweggenommen durch:
P0575588 (Nixon)
P1207519 (Steudel)
P1207527 (Kniest) (2015-03-11)
Steen Christensen: I find “vgl. Nixon 1953 und Kniest 1963” to be the best description and suggest the keyword “anticipated” to be removed. (2023-10-01)
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Keywords: anticipated, Grid Chess, only Kings
Genre: Fairies
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/1k6/3K4/8
Input: Hans Gruber, 2011-10-09
Last update: Erich Bartel, 2017-08-19 more...
10 - P1211318
? ?
8994 Thema Danicum 01/2003
P1211318
(1+1) C+
H=3 3. 1;1. 1;1. 1
Gitterschach
1. Kc3 Ka2 2. Kc2 Ka3 3. Kb1 Kb2=
1. Kc4 Kb2 2. Kb5 Kc3 3. Ka4 Kb4=
1. Kc2 Ka2 2. Kb1 Kb3 3. Kc1 Kc2=
Im Satz ist Weiß patt. Der schwarze Anzug ist illegal.
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Author: Legal I. L
Steen Christensen: The author is Erik Hansen. The problem was published as part of the “New Year Competition for Solvers” 2002/03. Henrik Juel commented: A great find with only one repetition (1. – Ka2). White having no last move is only a minor flaw. (2023-09-01)
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Keywords: Grid Chess, only Kings
Genre: Fairies
FEN: 8/8/8/8/8/Kk6/8/8
Input: Hans Gruber, 2011-10-09
Last update: Frank Müller, 2014-11-09 more...
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